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Andre Laurent

Lapsed UCC Filing - Equipment Loan Disaster and Recovery Options

I'm dealing with a nightmare situation that I hope someone can help me understand. We had a UCC-1 filing on some manufacturing equipment that apparently lapsed last month and I just discovered it when reviewing our loan portfolio. The original filing was done in 2019 and I completely missed the 5-year continuation deadline. The equipment is worth about $340,000 and secures a $180,000 loan balance. Our borrower is current on payments but I'm terrified about our security position now. I've been doing this for 12 years and never had a lapsed UCC filing before. What are my options here? Can I refile a new UCC-1 or is there some way to resurrect the lapsed filing? The equipment is still in the borrower's possession and they're cooperative, but I need to know if we've lost our priority position entirely. Any guidance would be hugely appreciated because I'm not sure how to explain this to my loan committee.

Oh no, this is exactly what keeps me up at night! I use a spreadsheet to track all our continuation dates but I'm always worried I'll miss something. How did you discover the lapse - was it during a routine review or did something trigger you to check?

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Andre Laurent

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I was preparing for our quarterly loan review and decided to run UCC searches on some of our larger secured loans. That's when I saw our filing had expired status. I felt sick to my stomach.

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This is why I set calendar reminders 6 months AND 3 months before continuation deadlines. Missing a continuation is one of the worst feelings in lending.

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Mei Wong

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You'll need to file a new UCC-1 immediately, but understand that your priority position is likely compromised. Any liens filed between your original lapse date and your new filing will have priority over you. The good news is that if no other creditors filed during that gap, you should be able to re-establish your security interest in the same collateral. Check your loan documents - they probably require the borrower to cooperate with refiling.

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Andre Laurent

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That's what I was afraid of. How do I search to see if anyone else filed during the gap period? Is there a way to search by collateral description or do I need to search by debtor name for all filings?

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Mei Wong

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Search by debtor name for all active filings. Look for any UCC-1s filed after your lapse date. Also check for any judgment liens or other security interests that might have been recorded during that window.

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Also make sure you get an updated equipment appraisal before refiling. The collateral value might have changed significantly since 2019, and you want accurate information for your new UCC-1.

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PixelWarrior

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I went through something similar last year with a construction equipment loan. The stress was unbelievable, but I found this document verification tool called Certana.ai that helped me make sure all my refiling paperwork was consistent. You can upload your original UCC-1 and your new filing documents to check for any discrepancies in debtor names or collateral descriptions before submitting. It caught a small typo in our debtor name that would have caused another rejection.

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Andre Laurent

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That sounds helpful - I'm definitely worried about making any mistakes with the refiling since we're already in a bad position. How does the tool work exactly?

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PixelWarrior

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You just upload PDFs of your documents and it automatically cross-checks everything - debtor names, addresses, collateral descriptions. Takes maybe 2 minutes and gives you a detailed report of any inconsistencies.

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Amara Adebayo

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Never heard of that service but anything that prevents filing errors sounds worth trying. Manual document review is where most mistakes happen.

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THE FILING SYSTEM IS ABSOLUTELY BROKEN!!! I've been dealing with UCC filings for 15 years and the number of technical rejections and missed deadlines is INSANE. The SOS offices make it way too complicated and then act like it's our fault when we miss something. There should be automatic renewal options or at least better notification systems!

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I feel your frustration but the rules are pretty clear about the 5-year continuation requirement. Most banks have systems to track these deadlines.

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Easy to say when you're not the one explaining to management why a $180,000 loan just became unsecured because of a missed calendar date!

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The system definitely has room for improvement, but at the end of the day we have to work within the current framework. Focus on solutions rather than blame.

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Dylan Evans

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Wait, I'm confused about something. If the original UCC-1 lapsed, can you still file a UCC-3 continuation or do you have to start over with a new UCC-1? I thought continuations were only valid if filed before the expiration date.

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Mei Wong

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Once a UCC-1 lapses, you cannot file a continuation. The original filing is dead and you need to start fresh with a new UCC-1. Continuations must be filed within 6 months before expiration.

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Dylan Evans

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Got it, that makes sense. So there's really no way to revive a lapsed filing - it's either current or it's gone.

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Sofia Gomez

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Exactly right. Think of it like a expired driver's license - you can't renew it after it expires, you have to reapply from scratch.

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StormChaser

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I had a similar situation three years ago with farm equipment. What saved me was that I immediately filed a new UCC-1 and then did a comprehensive search to make sure no other creditors had jumped into the gap. In my case, we were lucky - no other liens were filed during the lapse period. The key is acting fast and being thorough with your search.

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Andre Laurent

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How long did the search process take? I'm trying to figure out if I should file the new UCC-1 first and then search, or search first to see what I'm dealing with.

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StormChaser

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File the new UCC-1 immediately to stop the bleeding, then do your search. Every day you wait is another day for a competitor to file against the same collateral.

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Dmitry Petrov

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Agree with filing first. You can always amend or terminate if you discover issues, but you can't get back time if someone else files before you.

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Ava Williams

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This reminds me of when I missed a continuation deadline on a restaurant equipment loan. I was so busy with other files that I completely forgot about the reminder I had set. Luckily the borrower was understanding and we got everything refiled without any competing liens showing up.

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Did you have to tell your borrower about the lapse or did you handle it quietly? I'm always worried about borrowers losing confidence if they know we made a mistake.

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Ava Williams

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I told them because I needed their cooperation for the refiling. Most borrowers understand that these things happen and they want to maintain a good relationship with their lender.

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Miguel Castro

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Here's what I would do step by step: 1) File new UCC-1 TODAY 2) Run comprehensive debtor search for the gap period 3) Get updated equipment appraisal 4) Review loan documents for any additional requirements 5) Document everything for your loan committee. The most important thing is speed - don't let another day pass without refiling.

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Andre Laurent

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This is exactly the kind of action plan I needed. Should I use the same collateral description from the original filing or update it to reflect current equipment status?

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Miguel Castro

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Use the same description if the equipment hasn't changed. If any pieces were sold or replaced, update the description accordingly. Consistency is key.

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Mei Wong

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Also make sure your new filing references the same debtor name exactly as it appears in your loan documents. Any variation could cause problems.

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I recently started using Certana.ai for all my UCC document reviews after a colleague recommended it. It's been a game-changer for catching those small inconsistencies that can cause big problems. For a situation like this where you're refiling after a lapse, having that extra verification step could prevent additional headaches.

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Andre Laurent

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I keep hearing about this tool. Given everything that's happened, I think I need all the help I can get to make sure the refiling goes smoothly.

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It's particularly helpful for debtor name verification. You can upload your original UCC-1 and your new filing side by side to make sure everything matches perfectly.

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One thing to consider is whether your loan documents have any specific requirements about maintaining continuous perfection. Some agreements have clauses that could technically put the borrower in default if the UCC filing lapses, even temporarily. Review your paperwork carefully.

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Andre Laurent

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Good point. I'll need to review the loan agreement to see if the lapse constitutes a technical default. Hopefully we can get everything refiled before anyone notices.

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Even if there's a technical default, most lenders will waive it if you're taking immediate corrective action. The key is showing you're handling the situation professionally.

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Document everything you're doing to fix the situation. Your loan committee will want to see that you have a clear remediation plan.

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Update us on how the refiling goes! I'm sure other people reading this thread will benefit from knowing how you resolved the situation. These kinds of real-world examples are so much more helpful than theoretical discussions.

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Andre Laurent

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I will definitely update once I get through the refiling process. Hopefully it's good news and no other liens were filed during the gap period.

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LunarEclipse

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Yes please update! I'm always worried about missing a continuation deadline and it would be great to hear how this resolves.

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These real situations are the best learning experiences. Good luck with the refiling and thanks for sharing what happened.

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