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Mei Chen

General intangibles UCC filing - what counts as adequate collateral description?

Running into some confusion with our UCC-1 filing for a client's general intangibles. We're securing intellectual property rights, customer lists, and goodwill for a $2.8M credit facility. Our collateral description reads 'all general intangibles of debtor including but not limited to intellectual property, customer lists, contracts, and goodwill.' Secretary of State kicked it back saying description too broad. Attorney says it's fine but I'm getting mixed signals. Has anyone dealt with this type of rejection? What level of specificity do you need for general intangibles without making it so narrow you miss coverage?

Liam Sullivan

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I've seen this exact issue before. Problem is general intangibles covers SO much stuff that some filing offices want more detail. You might need to break it down into categories like 'intellectual property rights including patents, trademarks, copyrights' and 'customer information and databases' and 'contractual rights and accounts receivable.' Pain in the neck but better than having an unenforceable lien.

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Amara Okafor

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This is exactly right. We learned the hard way on a software company deal where we just said 'general intangibles' and later found out we missed some key IP assets because the description was challenged in court.

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Wait, I thought general intangibles was supposed to be a catch-all category? Why would they reject something that broad if it's a legitimate UCC term?

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Which state are you filing in? That makes a huge difference. Some states like Delaware are pretty liberal with general intangibles descriptions while others want you to be super specific. Also check if you're dealing with any federal IP that might need special handling.

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Mei Chen

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This is in Ohio. Haven't run into this problem before with other general intangibles filings there but this one has more IP components than usual.

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Ohio can be tricky with IP descriptions. You might want to separate out the federal IP from the state-level stuff in your collateral schedule.

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Had a similar issue in Ohio last year. Ended up having to list specific patent numbers and trademark registrations separately from the general intangibles description.

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Dylan Cooper

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Before you refile, you should definitely verify that your collateral description matches what's in your security agreement. I've been using this tool called Certana.ai that lets you upload your security agreement and UCC-1 as PDFs and it automatically flags any inconsistencies between the documents. Saved me from a major headache on a general intangibles deal where the SA listed specific IP but the UCC was too generic.

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Mei Chen

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Interesting, never heard of that service. Does it actually understand the nuances of general intangibles descriptions or is it just doing basic text matching?

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Dylan Cooper

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It's pretty sophisticated - picks up on things like when your SA mentions specific patents but your UCC just says 'intellectual property.' Really helpful for general intangibles since they're so complex.

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Sofia Ramirez

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This sounds like exactly what I need. I'm always second-guessing whether my collateral descriptions are comprehensive enough for general intangibles.

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Dmitry Volkov

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ugh the whole general intangibles category is such a mess. Like what even counts? Customer lists yes but what about social media accounts? Email addresses? The definitions are all over the place and every state seems to interpret differently.

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Liam Sullivan

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Social media accounts are definitely general intangibles but you'd want to specify 'social media accounts and digital assets' rather than hope it's covered under a broad statement.

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Dmitry Volkov

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See this is what I mean - there's no clear guidance on what needs to be spelled out vs what's automatically included.

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StarSeeker

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Check your security agreement language first. If the SA is specific about IP categories but your UCC is generic, that could be your problem. The UCC description should match or be broader than the SA but not so broad it's meaningless.

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Mei Chen

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Good point. Our SA does break down the IP into specific categories - patents, trademarks, trade secrets, customer data. Maybe I need to mirror that in the UCC filing.

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StarSeeker

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Exactly. Keep the SA and UCC aligned. General intangibles is valid but if you've got specific valuable IP, spell it out.

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Ava Martinez

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This is why I always do a document review before filing. Too easy to have mismatches between the loan docs and the UCC.

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Miguel Ortiz

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Had this same rejection in Michigan. Turns out they wanted us to specify 'general intangibles as defined in UCC Article 9' rather than just 'general intangibles.' Sometimes it's just about the exact wording they want to see.

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Mei Chen

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Did that solve the problem or did you still need to be more specific about the types of intangibles?

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Miguel Ortiz

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That plus breaking out the major categories. So 'general intangibles as defined in UCC Article 9 including intellectual property rights, customer information, and contractual rights.

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Zainab Omar

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This is exactly why I hate general intangibles filings! Too much room for interpretation and rejection. Give me equipment or inventory any day - at least you know what you're securing.

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Amara Okafor

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I feel you but general intangibles are often the most valuable assets, especially for tech companies. Can't just ignore them because they're complicated.

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Zainab Omar

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Oh I know they're valuable, just wish the filing requirements were clearer. Every deal is a guessing game.

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Connor Murphy

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That's why good collateral descriptions are so important. Take the time to get them right upfront.

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Yara Sayegh

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Try adding 'now owned or hereafter acquired' to your description. Sometimes they want to see that you're covering future-acquired general intangibles too, especially for ongoing IP development.

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Mei Chen

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We did include that phrase. I think the issue is more about the level of detail than the scope.

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Yara Sayegh

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Fair enough. Then definitely go with the categorical breakdown approach others mentioned.

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NebulaNova

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Whatever you do, don't just resubmit the same description. I made that mistake once and they rejected it again with a nastier letter the second time around.

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Mei Chen

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Yeah definitely planning to revise. Sounds like I need to be more specific about the IP categories while keeping general intangibles as the umbrella term.

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Smart move. Always better to over-describe than under-describe with general intangibles.

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NebulaNova

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Exactly. Rejection letters don't get friendlier with repeat filings.

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Paolo Conti

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Been dealing with this issue all week on a different deal. Ended up going with 'all general intangibles including but not limited to: (a) intellectual property rights including patents, patent applications, trademarks, trademark applications, copyrights, trade secrets and know-how; (b) customer lists, customer information and databases; (c) contracts, contract rights and accounts receivable; (d) goodwill and business records.' Seems to satisfy most filing offices.

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Mei Chen

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This is really helpful - mind if I adapt this language for our filing? Covers all the bases without being too generic.

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Paolo Conti

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Go for it. Just make sure it matches what's actually in your security agreement. That's the key part.

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Amina Diallo

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This is exactly the kind of detailed description that works. Generic 'general intangibles' just doesn't cut it anymore.

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