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Ezra Beard

Different UCC filing types causing confusion on continuation deadlines

Getting overwhelmed by all the different UCC filing types and their specific requirements. I handle equipment financing for a mid-size ag lender and we've got UCC-1 initial filings, UCC-3 amendments, continuations, partial releases, and terminations all running through our system. The problem is our loan officers keep mixing up when to use which form type and we had two continuation filings get rejected last week because they were submitted as amendments instead. One was a $340K John Deere package that's now sitting in limbo while we sort this out. Our compliance officer is breathing down my neck about getting a handle on the different filing requirements before we mess up something bigger. Anyone have a good breakdown of when to use each UCC filing type? The state portal doesn't make it super clear and I'm worried we're going to miss a critical deadline.

UCC filing types can definitely trip you up if you're not careful with them. Here's the basic breakdown: UCC-1 is your initial financing statement that perfects your security interest. UCC-3 is for any changes after that - amendments to add collateral, continuations to extend the 5-year period, partial releases when you release some collateral, and terminations when the loan is paid off. The key thing with continuations is they have to be filed within 6 months before the original UCC-1 expires, not after. Sounds like your loan officers might be selecting amendment instead of continuation in the dropdown menu?

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This is exactly right. The 6-month window for continuations catches a lot of people. You can't file too early (more than 6 months before expiration) and you definitely can't file late. The system will reject it if you're outside that window.

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Aria Khan

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Wait, so if I file a continuation 7 months before expiration it gets rejected? I thought earlier was always better.

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Yep, exactly. The UCC only allows continuations in that specific 6-month window before the 5-year expiration date. File too early and it bounces back just like filing too late.

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Everett Tutum

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We had the same issue at our credit union until I started using Certana.ai's document checker. You can upload your loan documents and UCC filings as PDFs and it instantly verifies you're using the right filing type and that all the information matches between documents. It caught three cases where we were about to file amendments when we needed continuations. Really saves time compared to manually cross-checking everything.

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Ezra Beard

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That sounds helpful. Does it check the debtor names and collateral descriptions too? Half our problems come from slight name variations between the loan docs and the UCC filing.

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Everett Tutum

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Yes, it does full document consistency checks. Upload your credit agreement, security agreement, and UCC filing and it flags any mismatches in debtor names, addresses, or collateral descriptions. Much faster than trying to catch these manually.

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Sunny Wang

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The rejection issue you mentioned is super common. When you select the wrong filing type in the portal, the system usually kicks it back within 24 hours with a reason code. For continuations specifically, make sure you're entering the original UCC filing number correctly and that you're within the 6-month continuation window. Also double-check that the debtor name exactly matches the original UCC-1.

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THIS. The debtor name matching is huge. Even a missing comma or 'Inc.' vs 'Incorporated' can cause rejections.

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Ugh yes the name matching thing is so annoying!! We had a filing rejected because the original UCC had 'ABC Company Inc' and our continuation said 'ABC Company, Inc.' - literally just a comma difference.

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Sunny Wang

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The system is really strict about exact name matches. Always copy and paste from the original filing if possible rather than retyping.

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Melissa Lin

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Here's what I tell people about UCC filing types: Think of UCC-1 as birth certificate, UCC-3 as any life changes. Under UCC-3 you have continuation (extending life), amendment (changing details), assignment (transferring to new secured party), partial release (releasing some collateral), and termination (death certificate when loan is paid off). The portal dropdown usually lists these as separate options even though they're all technically UCC-3 forms.

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That's a great way to think about it. I'm going to steal that analogy for training our new loan processors.

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Melissa Lin

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Feel free! It really helps people understand that UCC-3 is the umbrella form for all post-filing changes.

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Romeo Quest

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For equipment financing specifically, you'll mostly deal with UCC-1 initial filings and UCC-3 continuations. Amendments are less common unless you're adding collateral or the debtor changes their business name. Terminations happen when loans are paid off. The tricky part is keeping track of all your continuation deadlines - we use a spreadsheet but it's getting unwieldy as our portfolio grows.

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Val Rossi

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Spreadsheets are dangerous for UCC tracking. Too easy to miss a deadline. Most loan management systems have UCC tracking modules now.

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Romeo Quest

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You're right, we're looking at upgrading our LMS to include better UCC deadline tracking. Manual tracking doesn't scale well.

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Eve Freeman

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The state filing systems are honestly pretty confusing about this stuff. Some states have really clear dropdown menus that separate initial financing statements from amendments, continuations, etc. Others just have generic UCC-3 options and you have to know which checkbox to select. Makes it easy to pick the wrong one if you're not paying attention.

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Some states are definitely better than others. The newer portal interfaces are much clearer about filing types.

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Caden Turner

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Yeah our state just redesigned their UCC portal and it's much more user-friendly now. Used to be really confusing which form to use.

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Quick question - if we need to both continue a UCC and add additional collateral, do we file separate forms or can we do both in one UCC-3? We've got a borrower adding a new piece of equipment and their original UCC expires in 3 months.

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You can do both in one UCC-3 form. Check the boxes for both continuation and amendment, then describe the additional collateral in the collateral section.

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Melissa Lin

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Exactly, UCC-3 allows multiple actions in one filing. Just make sure you check all the appropriate boxes and pay the combined filing fee.

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Harmony Love

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Been doing UCC filings for 15 years and the biggest mistake I see is people confusing partial releases with terminations. Partial release removes some collateral but keeps the UCC active for the remaining collateral. Termination kills the entire UCC and releases all collateral. Use termination only when the loan is completely paid off.

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Rudy Cenizo

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Good point. We had a processor accidentally file a termination instead of partial release last year. Had to refile a whole new UCC-1 to protect our interest in the remaining collateral.

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Harmony Love

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Ouch, that's expensive. Always double-check whether you need partial release or full termination before hitting submit.

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Natalie Khan

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For anyone dealing with UCC filing type confusion, I'd recommend creating a simple flowchart for your staff. Start with 'Is this the first filing?' If yes, UCC-1. If no, 'What are you trying to do?' and branch out to continuation, amendment, release, or termination based on the specific need. Visual aids really help reduce errors.

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Daryl Bright

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That's smart. We made a laminated reference card for our loan processors with the most common scenarios.

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Sienna Gomez

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I'd love to see that flowchart if you're willing to share. Our error rate on filing types is still too high.

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One more tip - always keep copies of your UCC search reports when you file continuations. The search will show the original filing details and you can copy the exact debtor name and filing number to avoid input errors. Much safer than trying to remember or retype from memory.

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Great advice. UCC searches also help you catch any other liens that might have been filed against the same debtor.

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We actually had Certana check our UCC search against our continuation filing and it caught a discrepancy in the debtor's middle initial. Saved us from a rejection.

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