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Update us when you get this resolved! I'm curious to hear what the actual issue was. We've got a couple terminations pending too and wondering if we should be more proactive about following up.
Will definitely post an update once this gets sorted out. Calling supervisor level tomorrow morning.
I'm dealing with something similar right now - filed a UCC-3 termination two weeks ago and it's still showing pending. What's frustrating is that I called last week and they said "2-3 more business days" but here we are. From reading through these responses, it sounds like escalating to supervisor level and having solid documentation is key. I'm also intrigued by the verification tools some folks mentioned - might be worth having that kind of backup before making the next call. Has anyone tried refiling when stuck like this, or is that just asking for more delays?
I wouldn't recommend refiling unless you're absolutely certain there was an error in your original submission - that could just create duplicate filings and more confusion. From what I'm seeing in this thread, it sounds like there are systemic delays right now. I'd follow the advice others gave about escalating to a supervisor first, especially with your borrower's timeline pressure. The verification tool approach also seems smart - having documentation that proves your filing was correct gives you more leverage when you call. Keep us posted on how the supervisor call goes!
Thanks everyone for the input. Sounds like the consensus is these are legally meaningless but practically annoying. I'll make sure to build in extra time when I spot them and have legal opinion letter resources ready to go.
This is such a timely discussion - I'm relatively new to UCC work and just encountered my first OPPT filing last week. The client was filing a legitimate equipment financing UCC-1 and when I ran the preliminary search, there was this bizarre filing where someone claimed to be the secured party for their own "biological property" worth $10 billion. I honestly didn't know what to make of it at first. Really helpful to hear from everyone that these are just nuisance filings with no legal weight. I'll definitely be including explanatory language in my search reports going forward so clients aren't caught off guard.
Welcome to the wonderful world of sovereign citizen UCC filings! "Biological property" is a new one for me - I've seen "strawman," "vessel," and "corporate fiction" but that's creative. The $10 billion valuation is pretty standard though - they always go big with their imaginary numbers. You're absolutely right to include explanatory language in your reports. It saves so much time later when clients or lenders start asking questions.
Great thread! Just to add one more consideration - make sure you check the timing requirements for title perfection in your state. Some states have specific deadlines after the security agreement is signed, and missing those deadlines can affect your priority under Article 9. Also, if any of the trucks are leased rather than owned by the borrower, you'll need to perfect against the lessor, not just note the lien on the title.
Excellent points about timing and leased vehicles! I've seen deals where lenders missed the perfection deadline and lost priority. For the lease issue - how do you typically handle situations where some vehicles in a fleet are leased vs owned? Do you need separate security agreements for each type under Article 9?
For mixed fleets with owned and leased vehicles, you typically need different approaches under Article 9. For owned vehicles, standard title perfection works. For leased vehicles, you need to either get the lessor to subordinate their interest or perfect against the lessee's rights in the lease (which might require UCC-1 filing since lease rights aren't always covered by certificate of title). I usually require separate schedules in the security agreement identifying which vehicles are owned vs leased to avoid confusion. Also worth noting that some leases prohibit additional liens, so you need to review the lease terms carefully before proceeding.
This has been a really helpful discussion! I'm dealing with a similar situation with a 15-vehicle commercial fleet and was also confused about the UCC Article 9 perfection requirements. Based on everything discussed here, it sounds like the key takeaway is that motor vehicles covered by certificate of title laws require title perfection rather than UCC-1 filing, even though the loan documents reference Article 9. I'm planning to verify each vehicle's title status individually and ensure proper lien notation on all certificates. One question I still have - for vehicles that might be registered in multiple states (like long-haul trucks), do you need to perfect in each state where the vehicle is registered, or just the state where it's primarily garaged? The interstate commerce aspect of fleet financing adds another layer of complexity to Article 9 compliance.
Great question about multi-state registration! Under Article 9, you generally perfect in the state where the debtor is located (their chief executive office), not where each vehicle is registered. However, for certificate of title perfection, you typically need to perfect where the certificate of title is issued, which is usually where the vehicle is primarily garaged or the owner's principal place of business. For long-haul trucks that cross state lines regularly, this can get tricky - I'd recommend checking UCC 9-303 and your specific state's variations. Some lenders require perfection in multiple states as belt-and-suspenders protection, especially for high-value fleets. You might also want to consider whether any vehicles could change their location of titling during the loan term.
Does anyone know if SC offers expedited processing for an additional fee? I have a closing next week and need the UCC-1 filed ASAP.
In my experience SC is pretty fast with online filings. Just make sure everything is perfect the first time so you don't have to refile.
Just wanted to add that SC also accepts paper filings by mail if anyone prefers that route, though it takes longer to process - usually 5-7 business days. The fee is still $20 but you need to include a check or money order. I've found their online system to be pretty reliable though, so I'd recommend sticking with electronic filing unless you have a specific reason to go with paper.
That's good to know about the paper filing option! I'm just getting started with UCC filings and wasn't sure if electronic was the only way. The 5-7 day processing time for paper is pretty reasonable if you're not in a rush. Do you know if they provide tracking for mailed filings so you can confirm they received your documents?
Cole Roush
One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you're planning to move your business to a different state, make sure to discuss this with your lender beforehand. UCC filings are state-specific, so relocating can affect the perfection of the security interest. Your lender might need to file in the new state to maintain their priority. It's not a huge deal, but it's something to keep in mind for future planning.
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Connor O'Neill
•That's a great point I hadn't considered! I'm not planning to relocate anytime soon, but it's good to know for the future. Would the lender typically handle refiling in the new state, or is that something I'd need to initiate?
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Sofia Torres
•Usually the lender will handle the refiling since it's in their interest to maintain their security position. Most loan agreements have provisions requiring borrowers to notify the lender of any address changes, and then the lender takes care of the necessary UCC filings. But definitely confirm this with your lender when you sign - some might put the responsibility on the borrower to initiate the process.
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Mohammed Khan
This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation with my first equipment loan and was equally confused about UCC filings. One thing that's been on my mind - if I have multiple pieces of equipment being financed, does the lender file separate UCC-1 forms for each item, or can they list everything on one filing? Also, does it matter if I finance equipment from different vendors at different times? I want to make sure I understand how this works before I sign anything.
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Amara Oluwaseyi
•Great questions! Typically lenders can list multiple pieces of equipment on a single UCC-1 filing as long as they're all part of the same loan or credit facility. The collateral description can be broad (like "all equipment") or specific (listing each item). For equipment financed at different times or from different vendors, it often depends on whether they're separate loan agreements or amendments to an existing facility. If they're separate loans, you'll likely see separate UCC filings. The key is that each filing needs to accurately describe what collateral secures which debt. Your lender should explain their specific approach during the loan process.
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