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Grant Vikers

How often do employers win unemployment appeals against NYS Department of Labor decisions?

My former employer is appealing my approved unemployment claim and I'm really worried they might win. The hearing is scheduled for next month and I'm trying to figure out what my chances are. Does anyone know the actual statistics on how often employers successfully overturn NYS Department of Labor decisions? I was fired for what they called 'performance issues' but I think it was really because I complained about safety violations. I have documentation of the safety complaints but I'm not sure if that will help at the hearing.

From what I understand, employers don't win that often in appeals, maybe around 30-40% of the time from what I've seen discussed in other forums. The key thing is that they have to prove misconduct, not just poor performance. If you were fired for performance issues and not willful misconduct, you should still qualify for benefits. Make sure you bring all your documentation about the safety complaints to the hearing.

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That's reassuring, thank you! I do have emails where I reported the safety issues to my supervisor. Do you think those will be enough evidence?

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The statistics vary but generally the initial NYS Department of Labor decision holds up more often than not. What matters most is the specific circumstances of your case. If you can show the firing was retaliatory for safety complaints, that actually strengthens your position significantly. Document everything - dates, witnesses, any written communications. The hearing officer will want to see concrete evidence, not just he-said-she-said.

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I kept copies of everything thankfully. Should I get a lawyer or can I represent myself at the hearing?

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You can represent yourself, most people do. Just be organized with your documents and stick to the facts. If the case is really complex you might want legal help, but for straightforward wrongful termination/retaliation cases, you should be fine on your own.

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I went through this exact same thing last year! My employer appealed after I got approved and I was so stressed about it. They claimed I was fired for attendance but I had medical documentation for all my absences. The hearing was actually pretty straightforward - I just presented my evidence and answered questions honestly. The judge ruled in my favor and I kept getting benefits. Don't panic, just be prepared and tell the truth.

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Interesting, I didn't know there were services like that. Did they charge a lot for helping you get through?

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honestly the whole system is rigged against workers anyway. employers have lawyers and we're expected to represent ourselves at these hearings. even if the stats say we win more often, they still get to drag us through this stressful process and make us jump through hoops just to get benefits we already qualified for. it's exhausting.

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I feel you on that but try to stay positive. The system isn't perfect but it does protect workers most of the time. Just focus on preparing your case.

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yeah my cousin went through this and won, employer appealed just to be spiteful but lost

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I work in HR and can share some insight on this. From what I've seen, employers typically win appeals in about 25-35% of cases, but it really depends on the documentation and circumstances. The fact that you have documentation of safety complaints puts you in a much stronger position - retaliation for safety concerns is taken very seriously by hearing officers. Make sure to organize your evidence chronologically and be prepared to explain the timeline of events clearly. Even if you're nervous, just stick to the facts and let your documentation speak for itself. You've got this!

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Thank you so much for that perspective from the HR side! It's really helpful to hear from someone who's seen these cases from the employer's perspective. The 25-35% win rate for employers actually makes me feel more confident. I've been organizing my documents chronologically like you suggested - I have the original safety complaint emails, my supervisor's dismissive responses, and then the termination notice just two weeks later. Do you think the short timeline between my complaints and termination will work in my favor? I'm definitely nervous but your advice about sticking to facts is spot on.

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Absolutely, that timeline actually works strongly in your favor! A two-week gap between safety complaints and termination is what we call a "smoking gun" in employment law - it's really hard for employers to argue that's just a coincidence. Most hearing officers will see that pattern and immediately recognize potential retaliation. The fact that you have the supervisor's dismissive responses documented makes it even better because it shows they weren't taking your legitimate safety concerns seriously. You're in a much better position than most people who go to these hearings. Just present it exactly as you described - complaint, dismissive response, quick termination. Let the timeline speak for itself and you should do well.

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I went through a similar appeal process last year and can share what I learned. The NY Department of Labor publishes annual statistics, and employers typically win appeals in about 20-30% of cases, but it varies significantly based on the reason for termination. Performance-related firings usually favor the employee unless there's clear documentation of willful misconduct or policy violations. The fact that you have documentation of safety complaints is huge - New York has strong whistleblower protections, and retaliation for reporting safety issues is a serious violation. I'd recommend organizing your evidence into a clear timeline: when you made the complaints, how your employer responded, and when the termination occurred. If there's a short timeframe between your safety complaints and termination, that pattern often speaks for itself at hearings. Stay calm, stick to facts, and let your documentation do the talking. You're in a stronger position than you might think!

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you Owen! I really appreciate you taking the time to break down the statistics and give such detailed advice. The 20-30% employer win rate you mentioned aligns with what others have said, which is reassuring. I've been working on organizing everything into a timeline like you suggested - it's actually pretty damning when you see it all laid out chronologically. Safety complaint on March 15th, follow-up email ignored, second complaint March 22nd, then terminated April 5th for "performance issues" that were never documented before. Reading your comment about NY's whistleblower protections gives me a lot more confidence going into this hearing. I was worried I was being too optimistic, but it sounds like I really do have a solid case. Thanks for the encouragement!

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I'm new to this whole unemployment appeals process and reading through everyone's experiences here is really eye-opening. I had no idea that employers only win appeals around 25-35% of the time - that's actually much better odds than I expected! I'm not dealing with an appeal myself right now, but I've been worried about the possibility since my own unemployment claim is still being processed. It's really encouraging to see how people like Grant have organized their documentation and built strong cases, especially with the safety complaint angle. The advice about keeping everything chronological and letting the timeline speak for itself seems like solid strategy. Thanks to everyone sharing their experiences and knowledge here - this community is incredibly helpful for those of us navigating these complex systems for the first time.

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