Can S corp owner collect unemployment benefits from NYS Department of Labor?
I've been running my small consulting business as an S corp for the past 3 years, paying myself a W-2 salary and contributing to unemployment insurance through payroll. The business has been struggling lately and I might need to shut it down temporarily. Can I actually file for unemployment benefits with NYS Department of Labor even though I'm technically the owner? I've been paying into the system but I'm not sure if business owners are eligible. Has anyone dealt with this situation before?
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Marcelle Drum
This is actually more complicated than most people think. Since you're an S corp owner who receives a W-2 and pays unemployment taxes, you might be eligible depending on your ownership percentage. NYS Department of Labor generally considers owners with less than 5% ownership as employees for UI purposes. If you own more than that, it gets tricky. You'd need to show you had no control over your employment status when filing your claim.
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Collins Angel
•I own 100% of the S corp, so sounds like I'm probably out of luck then? Even though I've been paying into unemployment insurance for years?
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Tate Jensen
wait this doesn't make sense to me... if you're paying unemployment taxes why wouldn't you be able to collect?? seems like the system is rigged against small business owners
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Marcelle Drum
•The logic is that as the owner, you have control over whether you're employed or not. Regular employees don't have that control. It's about the 'involuntary' aspect of unemployment - if you can decide to hire yourself back, then technically your unemployment isn't involuntary.
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Adaline Wong
I went through something similar last year when I had to close my restaurant. NYS Department of Labor initially denied my claim because I was listed as the owner, but I was able to appeal and eventually got approved. The key was proving that external circumstances forced the closure - in my case it was losing my lease. You'll want to document everything that led to shutting down your business. The adjudication process took about 6 weeks but it was worth fighting for.
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Collins Angel
•That gives me some hope! What kind of documentation did you need for the appeal? I have emails showing client contracts being cancelled due to budget cuts on their end.
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Adaline Wong
•Exactly that kind of stuff - client cancellations, financial records showing the decline, any correspondence about circumstances beyond your control. The more you can show it wasn't just a business decision but forced by external factors, the better your chances.
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Gabriel Ruiz
If you're having trouble reaching anyone at NYS Department of Labor to get clear answers about this (which happens a lot with these complex owner situations), I used a service called Claimyr that got me through to an actual agent. They have this system where they call for you and connect you when someone picks up - way better than sitting on hold for hours. Check out their demo at https://youtu.be/qyftW-mnTNI and their site claimyr.com. Might be worth it to get official guidance on your specific S corp situation before filing.
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Misterclamation Skyblue
•sounds interesting but is it legit? seems too good to be true that they can actually get through when nobody else can
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Gabriel Ruiz
•I was skeptical too but it actually worked. They just keep calling until they get through and then conference you in. Saved me probably 20 hours of trying to call myself.
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Peyton Clarke
This whole thing is SO confusing!! I thought if you pay taxes you can collect benefits but apparently not? What's the point of paying unemployment taxes as a business owner if you can never use them??? Makes no sense to me at all.
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Marcelle Drum
•You're paying those taxes for any employees you might have, not necessarily for yourself as the owner. But there are some exceptions as others have mentioned - it's worth exploring if you can prove involuntary closure.
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Ethan Moore
From what I understand, there's actually a distinction between being an "officer" vs an "employee" for S corp owners when it comes to unemployment benefits. Even if you own 100% of the company, if you can demonstrate that you were functioning as an employee (receiving regular W-2 wages, following employment protocols, etc.) rather than just an officer making distributions, you might still have a case. The key is showing that your role was similar to any other employee, despite your ownership stake. I'd recommend getting a consultation with someone who specializes in unemployment law for S corp owners - the rules are really nuanced and a lot depends on how your specific situation is structured.
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