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Kevin Bell

Understanding FITW and if my Federal Tax Withholding is too high

Hey tax people, I'm trying to figure out if my Federal Income Tax Withholding (FITW) is too high. I feel like I'm overpaying every month. For 2023, I made about $102k in total wages and my federal tax withholding was around $15k. I live in Florida. Got back like $4k in my refund but I don't really want to give the government an interest-free loan every paycheck. I'm single, no dependents, and claim 0 on my W-4. Should I be adjusting something? What's a normal FITW percentage for someone in my situation? Thanks for any advice!

You're right to question this! Your FITW does appear a bit high based on what you shared. With $102k income in Florida (no state income tax), single with no dependents, your effective federal tax rate should be somewhere around 12-13% depending on deductions. Getting a $4k refund means you're definitely overwithholding. The new W-4 form doesn't use allowances anymore (the "0" you mentioned), but instead lets you specify additional withholding or reduction amounts. I'd recommend completing a new W-4 with your employer and using the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator tool on the IRS website to fine-tune it exactly to your situation. The goal is to get your refund as close to zero as possible - not owing much and not getting much back.

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Thanks for your answer. I've heard about the new W-4 form but never really understood how to fill it out properly. Does the IRS tool you mentioned walk you through it step by step? And if I make changes now, how long does it usually take to see the difference in my paycheck?

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The IRS Withholding Estimator definitely walks you through step by step and gives specific recommendations for each line of the W-4. Very user-friendly with sliders and explanations. Once you submit a new W-4 to your payroll department, you should see changes in your very next paycheck in most cases. Some employers might take an extra pay cycle to process the changes, but rarely longer than that. Just make sure you're accounting for any significant financial changes expected this year when you use the calculator.

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I was in a similar situation last year with way too much FITW coming out every paycheck. Felt like I was getting robbed twice a month lol. I tried using the IRS calculator and it helped, but I was still confused by some parts of the form. Then I found this tax calculator/analyzer at https://taxr.ai and it completely changed how I handle my withholdings. You upload your pay stub and tax return, and it breaks down exactly how to adjust your W-4 to get the right withholding amount. Super clear recommendations for each line on the form. Their analysis showed me I was overpaying by about $350 every month! Adjusted my W-4 based on their guidance and now my paychecks are bigger while still staying on track for a small refund.

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Does it actually work with more complicated situations? I have some side gig income and rental property on top of my regular job. Most calculators I've tried don't handle multiple income streams very well.

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Sounds interesting but I'm always skeptical of these tax tools. How does it compare to just using the free IRS calculator? And do they keep your tax docs secure? Not crazy about uploading my financial docs to random websites.

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It absolutely works with multiple income streams. You can input side gig earnings, rental income, and investment income separately. It'll even help calculate how much you should be setting aside for quarterly estimated payments if needed. As for security, they use bank-level encryption for all documents and don't store your actual tax docs after analysis - just the data points needed for calculations. I was skeptical too, but it's way more comprehensive than the IRS calculator, especially for anything beyond a simple W-2 job. The detailed recommendations made it worth it for me since I was leaving hundreds on the table every month.

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Just wanted to follow up - I ended up trying taxr.ai after my last comment and it was actually really helpful. I was shocked to discover I was overpaying by $280 per month on federal taxes! The breakdown showed exactly where my withholding was off and gave me the exact numbers to put on my new W-4. The interface was super easy and the security seemed solid. My company processed my updated W-4 last week and my paycheck is already $280 higher than before. Wish I'd done this years ago instead of giving the government thousands in interest-free loans.

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If you're getting a big refund like that and want to fix your withholding, another issue might be actually getting through to the IRS if you have questions. I spent THREE WEEKS trying to reach someone at the IRS about my withholding calculation last year. Kept getting disconnected or waiting on hold for hours. Finally found this service called Claimyr at https://claimyr.com that got me through to an actual IRS agent in under 45 minutes. They have a cool demo video of how it works: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c The IRS agent walked me through exactly how to calculate my proper withholding and fill out the new W-4 correctly. Totally worth it to speak directly with someone who could answer my specific questions instead of guessing.

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Wait, how does that even work? The IRS phone system is terrible - are they somehow jumping the queue for you? Seems sketchy.

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I've called the IRS at least 15 times this year and NEVER got through. Either "call back later" messages or 2+ hour wait times before I had to hang up. How much does this service cost? Seems too good to be true.

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They use a sophisticated system that navigates the IRS phone tree and waits on hold for you. Once they reach an agent, you get a call connecting you directly. It's all legitimate - they're just doing the waiting part for you. I had the same reaction initially - seemed too good to be true. But it's not about "jumping the queue" - you're still in the same line as everyone else, but their system is doing the waiting instead of you being stuck listening to that terrible hold music. The best part was being able to work on other things while waiting for my callback instead of having my phone tied up for hours.

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Ok I need to publicly eat my words about Claimyr. After being skeptical in my last comment, I tried it yesterday out of desperation after my FIFTH failed attempt to reach the IRS about my withholding problem. It actually worked exactly as advertised. I got a call back in about 35 minutes connecting me to an IRS agent who answered all my FITW questions and helped me calculate the exact amount I should be withholding based on my specific situation. I've been massively overwithholding (almost 20% FITW when I should be closer to 13%). Just submitted my corrected W-4 today and should see an extra $290 in each paycheck going forward. No more loaning my money to the government!

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Just a reminder that while getting a big refund isn't ideal from a financial perspective, some people do prefer it as a forced savings method. If you're not good at saving money throughout the year, sometimes getting that lump sum refund is psychologically better than having a bit more in each paycheck that might get spent. That said, I think your FITW is definitely on the high side. For reference, I make about $98k, also in FL, single with no dependents, and my federal withholding is around $12.8k annually, which gets me a much smaller refund (around $800).

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This is a good point about the forced savings. I'm terrible with money and actually prefer the big refund. But is there a better way to have both? Like maybe adjust my withholding but set up automatic transfers to a savings account for the difference?

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That's exactly what I recommend! Adjust your withholding to be more accurate, but then set up an automatic transfer on each payday to move that "extra" money into a high-yield savings account or even an I-bond. You'll still get your "forced savings" psychological benefit, but you'll earn interest on the money throughout the year instead of giving an interest-free loan to the government. Even at today's rates, that could be $100-200 extra in your pocket by the end of the year. And the automatic transfer means you won't even "see" the money to be tempted to spend it.

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Random question - but does anyone know if changing your W-4 withholding triggers any kind of IRS flags or increases audit risk? I'm definitely overwithholding like the OP but nervous about making big changes.

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Absolutely not. Changing your W-4 is completely normal and won't trigger any flags. People adjust their withholding all the time for various reasons - marriage, kids, new job, etc. The W-4 is just your best estimate of what you'll owe. As long as you're not severely UNDER-withholding (which can lead to penalties), adjusting to get closer to your actual tax liability is smart financial planning, not something that raises red flags.

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That's a relief to hear! I've been overwithholding by about $250/month for years because I was worried that changing it might somehow get me in trouble. Definitely going to update my W-4 this week. Thanks for the explanation!

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Your situation sounds very similar to mine from last year! With $102k income and getting a $4k refund, you're definitely overwithholding. I was in almost the exact same boat - making around $98k and getting back $3,800 every year. The key thing to remember is that the old W-4 system with "allowances" changed completely. The new form is much more precise if you fill it out correctly. I'd strongly recommend using the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator - it's free and will give you specific dollar amounts to put on each line of your W-4. One thing that helped me was calculating what my actual effective tax rate should be. For someone making $102k single with standard deduction, you're probably looking at around 12-13% effective rate, so your annual withholding should be closer to $12k-$13k instead of $15k. That means you could potentially increase your take-home by $150-250 per month! Just make sure to recalculate if you have any major life changes during the year. Good luck!

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This is really helpful - thanks for breaking down the effective tax rate calculation! I'm new to understanding all this tax stuff and never realized how much I might be overpaying. Quick question: when you say "recalculate if you have any major life changes," what kinds of changes should I be watching out for? I'm pretty stable right now but want to make sure I don't mess this up once I adjust my withholding.

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