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Adrian Connor

UCC-1 2017 filing still showing as active - termination help needed

Hey everyone, I'm dealing with a weird situation with an old UCC-1 from 2017 that's still showing as active in the system. The original loan was paid off in 2019 but somehow the termination never got filed properly. The debtor is asking for clean title and I'm scrambling to figure out how to handle this. Has anyone dealt with back-dating a UCC-3 termination or do I need to file something different? The collateral was commercial equipment and the debtor name matches exactly what's on file. Just not sure about the proper procedure for cleaning up these old filings that should have been terminated years ago.

Aisha Jackson

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Oh man, this happens more than you'd think. You can't back-date a UCC-3 termination unfortunately. You'll need to file it with today's date and include a statement explaining the delay. Most states accept late terminations as long as you acknowledge the timing issue in the filing.

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Adrian Connor

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Thanks, that makes sense. Do I need any special forms or just the standard UCC-3 termination with an explanation in the additional info section?

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Aisha Jackson

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Standard UCC-3 should work fine. Just be clear in the additional information field about when the underlying obligation was actually satisfied.

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I had something similar happen with a 2016 filing. The key is making sure your debtor name and filing number match EXACTLY. Even small discrepancies can cause the termination to be rejected and then you're back to square one.

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Adrian Connor

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Good point about the exact match. I double-checked and everything looks identical but I'm always paranoid about typos or formatting differences.

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Lilly Curtis

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Actually had a filing rejected last month because of a space difference in the debtor name. The system is really picky about exact matches.

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Leo Simmons

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This is exactly why I started using Certana.ai's document checker. You can upload your original UCC-1 and your new UCC-3 termination and it instantly verifies that all the debtor names, filing numbers, and document details align properly. Saved me from multiple rejection headaches when cleaning up old filings like this.

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Adrian Connor

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Interesting, how does that work exactly? Just upload PDFs and it checks for consistency?

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Leo Simmons

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Yeah exactly. Upload both documents and it cross-checks everything automatically. Catches those tiny discrepancies that would otherwise cause rejections.

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Lindsey Fry

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Sounds useful but probably expensive for just one filing, right?

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Leo Simmons

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Actually they focus more on preventing costly mistakes than charging high fees. Worth it when you consider the time saved on refilings.

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Saleem Vaziri

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Wait, are you sure the 2017 filing is still active? Sometimes the system shows old records even after they've lapsed. UCC-1 filings are only good for 5 years unless continued.

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Adrian Connor

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Good catch - I should check if it actually lapsed in 2022. If it did, maybe I don't need to file a termination at all?

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Aisha Jackson

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If it lapsed naturally, you're right that no termination is needed. But some lenders still want a formal termination on record for their files.

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Saleem Vaziri

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True, depends on what the debtor needs it for. Clean title search might require formal termination even if it lapsed.

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Kayla Morgan

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This is driving me crazy! I've been dealing with THREE different old filings from 2017-2018 that never got terminated properly. The whole system is a mess and now I'm spending hours cleaning up other people's mistakes.

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James Maki

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I feel your pain. Had to clean up a whole portfolio of old filings when I switched firms. It's tedious but necessary work.

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Kayla Morgan

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At least you got paid for it. I'm doing this pro bono for a longtime client and it's eating up my billable hours.

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Quick question - was this an SBA loan by any chance? Sometimes those have different termination requirements or the SBA wants to see the termination filed even years later.

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Adrian Connor

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No, it was a private equipment financing deal. But good to know about SBA differences.

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Ah okay. Private deals are usually more straightforward for late terminations.

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Cole Roush

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Just want to echo what others said about double-checking that debtor name match. I've seen so many terminations rejected because of tiny differences - extra spaces, different punctuation, abbreviations vs full names. The system is absolutely ruthless about exact matches.

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Adrian Connor

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Yeah I'm being super careful about that. Thinking about having someone else review it before I submit.

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Cole Roush

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Smart approach. Fresh eyes always catch things you miss after staring at documents too long.

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Lilly Curtis

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That's why I like the automated checking tools. Takes the human error out of the comparison process.

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Have you considered just letting it lapse naturally if we're close to the 5-year mark? Might be simpler than filing a termination, depending on timing.

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Adrian Connor

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We're already past the 5-year mark actually. Filed in 2017 so it should have lapsed in 2022 unless it was continued.

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Then check the continuation records first. If no continuation was filed, it's probably already lapsed and inactive.

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Arnav Bengali

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This reminds me of when I had to clean up filings from a firm that went out of business. Half their UCC-1s from 2016-2018 never got proper terminations. Took weeks to sort through everything and file the necessary UCC-3s.

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Sayid Hassan

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That sounds like a nightmare. How did you handle the ones where you couldn't verify if the loans were actually paid off?

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Arnav Bengali

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Had to track down loan files and payment records. Some we had to let lapse naturally because we couldn't prove satisfaction.

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Rachel Tao

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Pro tip: always include your contact information in the additional info section when filing late terminations. Sometimes the filing office will call if they have questions about the timing or need clarification.

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Adrian Connor

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Good advice, thanks. I'll make sure to include my direct line and email.

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Rachel Tao

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Exactly. Better to be proactive about communication than have the filing sit in limbo.

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Derek Olson

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Update us when you get it resolved! I'm dealing with a similar situation and curious how it works out for you.

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Adrian Connor

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Will do. Planning to file the UCC-3 termination early next week after I verify the continuation status.

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Derek Olson

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Perfect, looking forward to hearing how it goes.

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