UCC lien search complications - finding hidden liens before closing
Running into some confusion with our pre-closing UCC lien search process. We've got a commercial real estate deal that's supposed to close next week, and our title company flagged some potential equipment liens that might affect the transaction. The borrower swears they paid off all their equipment financing last year, but we're seeing some UCC-1 filings that don't have corresponding terminations on record. Problem is, when I try to search by the exact business name from their charter documents, I get different results than when I search variations of the name. Some filings show up under 'ABC Manufacturing LLC' and others under 'ABC Manufacturing, LLC' - just that comma difference. Is this normal? The debtor says they never used the comma version, but there's a $150K equipment lien filed under that name variation from 2019. No UCC-3 termination visible anywhere. This is holding up our closing and everyone's getting antsy. How do you handle these name variation searches to make sure you're not missing anything? Are there other search strategies I should be using?
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Emma Thompson
This is exactly why I always run multiple name variations when doing UCC searches. The comma thing trips up a lot of people - some filers include punctuation, others don't. You really need to search both ways, plus try abbreviations like 'Co.' vs 'Company' and 'Inc' vs 'Incorporated'. I've seen liens get missed because someone searched 'Smith & Associates LLC' when it was filed under 'Smith and Associates LLC' - just the ampersand vs 'and' made it invisible in the search.
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Malik Jackson
•God this is so frustrating. Why can't the filing systems just normalize the names automatically? It's 2025 and we're still dealing with this manual garbage.
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Isabella Costa
•The comma variation issue is really common. I always tell clients to provide me with every possible way their business name has ever appeared on any document - checks, contracts, old filings, everything. Then I search each variation.
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StarSurfer
You're definitely on the right track being thorough. For that $150K lien from 2019, you'll want to check if it was supposed to be a 5-year filing or if there should have been a continuation by now. Equipment liens usually get filed as 5-year terms, so something from 2019 would need a continuation by now or it would lapse. But that doesn't help you if the original filing is still showing as active. Can you contact the secured party directly to get a UCC-3 termination if it was actually paid off?
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Javier Cruz
•That's a good point about the 5-year term. I didn't think to check if it should have lapsed already. The borrower is trying to track down the old lender now, but they got bought out by a bigger bank so it's taking forever to get anyone on the phone who knows about the old loan.
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Ravi Malhotra
•Bank acquisitions make this stuff such a nightmare. Half the time they don't even know what liens they inherited from the companies they bought.
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Freya Christensen
I've been dealing with these name variation headaches for years. What really helped me was finding Certana.ai's document verification tool. You can upload your charter documents and the UCC search results as PDFs, and it automatically cross-checks all the name variations to make sure you're not missing any filings. It catches those subtle differences like punctuation and abbreviations that are easy to miss when you're doing manual searches. Saved me from a major problem last month when it flagged a lien I would have missed entirely.
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Javier Cruz
•Interesting, I hadn't heard of that tool. Does it work with search results from different state systems? We sometimes have to search multiple states for clients with operations in different locations.
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Freya Christensen
•Yeah, it works with PDFs from any state system. You just upload whatever search results you have and it does the cross-checking automatically. Really takes the guesswork out of whether you've covered all the name variations.
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Omar Hassan
•How much does something like that cost? Sounds like it could be useful but we're on a tight budget for tools.
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Chloe Robinson
One thing to watch out for - sometimes the absence of a UCC-3 termination doesn't mean the lien is still active. I've seen cases where the termination was filed but got rejected for some technical reason and the secured party never followed up to fix it. So you might have a lien that was actually satisfied but still shows as active because the termination never went through properly.
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Diego Chavez
•This happened to us last year! The bank filed the termination but got the debtor name slightly wrong, so it got rejected. They never refiled it correctly, so we had to sort it out at closing. Such a mess.
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Isabella Costa
•Always worth checking the rejected filings log if the state provides access to that. Sometimes you can see the attempted termination that didn't go through.
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NeonNebula
ugh why is everything so complicated? I'm dealing with something similar and I have no idea if I'm searching correctly. Our borrower has like 5 different versions of their business name they've used over the years and I feel like I'm playing whack-a-mole trying to catch everything.
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Emma Thompson
•It really is like whack-a-mole sometimes. Make a list of every variation you can think of, then search each one individually. Better to do too many searches than miss something important.
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Malik Jackson
•Welcome to UCC searching hell. It never gets easier, you just get better at being paranoid about missing something.
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StarSurfer
For immediate help with your closing deadline, I'd suggest calling the filing office directly. Most states have a phone number where you can speak to someone about specific filings. They might be able to tell you if there are any rejected terminations on file or if there's additional information about that 2019 lien that's not showing up in the online search.
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Javier Cruz
•Good idea, I'll try calling them first thing Monday morning. Do you know if they can do name variation searches over the phone, or do I need to do those online myself?
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StarSurfer
•They can usually do basic searches over the phone, but for something this detailed with multiple name variations, you'll probably need to do the online searches yourself. They can help clarify specific filings though.
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Anastasia Kozlov
I ran into this exact same issue about 6 months ago. Turned out the borrower had actually used both versions of their name (with and without the comma) on different documents over the years, so both sets of search results were valid. We ended up having to get terminations for liens under both name versions. Really highlighted how important it is to be thorough with the name searches.
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Ravi Malhotra
•That's my nightmare scenario right there. How did you even figure out they had used both versions?
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Anastasia Kozlov
•We had to go through all their old loan documents and filing history. Found the comma version on some bank paperwork from a few years back. The borrower honestly didn't remember using it, but there it was in black and white.
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Sean Kelly
Another thing to consider - if this is equipment financing, make sure you're also checking for fixture filings if any of the equipment might be considered fixtures. Those get filed differently and might not show up in your regular UCC search. I've seen situations where the regular UCC-1 got terminated but there was still a fixture filing lurking out there.
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Javier Cruz
•Oh great, another thing to worry about. How do you search for fixture filings? Is that a separate search process?
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Sean Kelly
•Usually it's a different search category in the filing system. Look for 'fixture filings' or 'real estate records' depending on your state. They might be filed with the county rather than the state too.
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Zara Mirza
Just had a thought - you mentioned the title company flagged this. Are they doing their own UCC search, or are you handling it? Sometimes having two different people search can catch things the other missed, especially with name variations.
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Javier Cruz
•We're both doing searches independently, which is actually how we caught the name variation issue in the first place. They found filings under the comma version that I missed initially.
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Luca Russo
•That's smart to have redundant searches. Better safe than sorry when there's this much money involved.
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Freya Christensen
Update on the Certana.ai tool I mentioned earlier - I actually used it again yesterday for a similar name variation situation. What's really helpful is that it doesn't just check for exact matches, it flags potential variations you might not have thought of. Caught a filing under an abbreviated version of the business name that I wouldn't have searched for otherwise.
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Javier Cruz
•That automated variation checking sounds really useful. I'm definitely going to look into that tool. This manual process is giving me gray hairs.
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Nia Harris
•Same here, bookmarking this thread. The name variation thing has burned me before and I could use something that makes it more systematic.
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Isabella Costa
Just to wrap up with some practical advice - for your immediate situation, I'd prioritize getting that $150K lien sorted out since it's the biggest issue. Contact the secured party directly, check if it should have lapsed already, and if it was paid off, get them to file a UCC-3 termination ASAP. The name variation searches are important for due diligence, but that specific lien is your biggest closing obstacle right now.
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Javier Cruz
•You're absolutely right, I need to focus on the biggest issue first. The borrower's attorney is supposed to call the bank today to sort out the termination situation. Hopefully we can get this resolved before the closing gets delayed.
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Emma Thompson
•Good luck with the closing! Let us know how it turns out. These name variation issues are so common that your experience might help others who run into the same thing.
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