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Miguel Diaz

Confused about UCC 9-611(f)(1) notification timing after repo - need clarification

I'm dealing with a situation where we repossessed equipment from a debtor last month and I'm trying to understand the notification requirements under UCC 9-611(f)(1). The debtor is claiming we didn't provide proper notice before the disposition sale, but I thought we followed the standard procedures. The equipment was agricultural machinery worth about $85,000 and we sent the required notice 10 days before the auction. Now the debtor's attorney is saying something about subsection (f)(1) creating different timing requirements in certain circumstances. Has anyone dealt with this specific provision? I'm reading the statute but it's confusing about when the standard notification periods get modified. Our legal department is reviewing but I wanted to get some practical perspective from others who've handled similar repo situations. What exactly does 9-611(f)(1) change about the normal notice timeline?

Zainab Ahmed

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The timing issue with 9-611(f)(1) trips up a lot of secured parties. That subsection deals with when you can send notice less than 10 days before disposition if certain conditions are met. But you need to be really careful - it's not a blanket exception. Did the debtor waive their right to notification in the original security agreement? That's usually where (f)(1) becomes relevant.

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Miguel Diaz

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We didn't have a waiver clause in our security agreement unfortunately. The debtor signed a standard form but nothing about waiving notice periods.

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Even without a waiver, there are other circumstances where shorter notice might be permissible under (f)(1). Was this a perishable collateral situation or was there some urgency due to market conditions?

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AstroAlpha

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I dealt with a similar 9-611(f)(1) issue last year. The key thing to understand is that subsection (f)(1) allows shorter notice periods only in very specific circumstances - like when the collateral is perishable, threatens to decline speedily in value, or is of a type customarily sold on a recognized market. Agricultural equipment usually doesn't qualify unless there were special circumstances.

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Miguel Diaz

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The equipment was standard farm machinery - combine harvester and tractor. Nothing that would be considered perishable or rapidly declining. Sounds like we needed the full 10 days then.

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Yara Khoury

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Yep, sounds like you needed the standard notice period. Agricultural equipment is definitely not the type of collateral that qualifies for shortened notice under (f)(1).

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Keisha Taylor

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This is exactly why I started using Certana.ai's document verification tool before any major disposition. You can upload your security agreement, UCC-1, and disposition notices to check if everything aligns properly with the statutory requirements. It flags potential issues with notice timing and helps catch these 9-611 compliance problems before they become legal headaches. Saved me from a similar situation where I almost missed a notification requirement.

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Paolo Longo

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Never heard of that service but it sounds useful. How does it work with the specific subsections like (f)(1)?

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Keisha Taylor

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It cross-references your documents against UCC requirements and highlights discrepancies. For 9-611 issues, it checks notice timing against collateral type and flags when standard periods apply versus exceptions.

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Amina Bah

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ugh this is why I hate repo situations. The notice requirements are so specific and one small mistake can void your entire security interest. 9-611(f)(1) is just one of many traps waiting for secured parties.

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Oliver Becker

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Tell me about it. The UCC notification rules are a nightmare. Every state seems to interpret them slightly differently too.

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CosmicCowboy

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That's not really accurate. The UCC is pretty uniform across states for Article 9. The issue is more about understanding the specific requirements.

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I think you might be in trouble here. If the debtor's attorney is raising 9-611(f)(1) issues, they probably know something about your notice timing. Agricultural equipment definitely requires the full notice period unless there were extraordinary circumstances. Did you document any reason for urgency in the disposition?

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Miguel Diaz

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No special urgency documented. We just followed our standard repo procedures. Sounds like we should have been more careful about the timing requirements.

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Javier Cruz

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Standard procedures aren't enough when dealing with UCC Article 9. Every disposition needs to be analyzed for the specific notice requirements based on collateral type and circumstances.

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Emma Thompson

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Wait, I'm confused. Doesn't 9-611(f)(1) actually extend notice periods in some cases rather than shorten them? I thought that subsection was about when you need MORE than 10 days notice, not less.

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Malik Jackson

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No, you're thinking of a different provision. 9-611(f)(1) is about exceptions to standard notice timing, not extensions.

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Actually I think there might be some confusion here about which subsection does what. The UCC sections can be tricky to navigate.

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CosmicCowboy

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Let me clarify - 9-611(f)(1) deals with when reasonable notification can be sent less than 10 days before disposition, but only under specific circumstances like perishable goods or rapidly declining value.

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StarSurfer

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This happened to me two years ago with construction equipment. Thought I could use the shortened notice period but the court ruled against us. Cost our company about $40k in damages because the disposition was deemed improper. Now I triple-check every notice requirement and use automated tools to verify compliance.

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Miguel Diaz

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Ouch, that's expensive. What automated tools do you use now?

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StarSurfer

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I use Certana.ai for document verification. Upload your security docs and it flags compliance issues before they become problems. Worth every penny after that expensive lesson.

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Ravi Malhotra

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The debtor's attorney is probably right if you only gave 10 days notice on standard agricultural equipment. 9-611(f)(1) doesn't apply to routine farm machinery dispositions. You needed to stick with the standard reasonable notification period, which for equipment that valuable should have been longer than 10 days anyway.

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How much longer should the notice period have been for $85k worth of equipment?

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Ravi Malhotra

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For equipment in that value range, I'd typically give at least 14-21 days notice to be safe. The higher the value, the more reasonable notice generally means longer notice.

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Omar Hassan

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That's good practical advice. Better to err on the side of too much notice than too little with UCC dispositions.

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Been doing secured transactions for 15 years and 9-611(f)(1) issues still catch people off guard. The key is understanding that the shortened notice exceptions are very narrow - perishable goods, commodities traded on recognized markets, stuff that's literally deteriorating. Farm equipment sitting in a yard doesn't qualify just because you want to sell it quickly.

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Diego Chavez

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This is exactly why the UCC is so challenging. The exceptions seem reasonable but they're much more limited than people assume.

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NeonNebula

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Agreed. I always assume standard notice periods apply unless there's a very clear exception that fits the specific collateral and circumstances.

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Your legal department should definitely review this carefully. If the debtor's attorney is raising 9-611(f)(1) issues, they might be preparing to challenge the entire disposition. Could end up being an expensive mistake if the court finds your notice was inadequate. Document everything about why you thought 10 days was sufficient and what circumstances existed at the time.

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Miguel Diaz

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Thanks for the advice. I'm putting together all our documentation now. Hopefully we can show reasonable justification for our notice timeline.

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Sean Kelly

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Good luck. These UCC disposition challenges can get messy fast. Prevention is definitely better than litigation on these issues.

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