New SAI vs old EFC - what's considered a good number for Pell Grant eligibility?
I'm trying to understand the switch from EFC to SAI on the 2024-2025 FAFSA. Is the SAI just the EFC with a new name, or does it actually calculate differently? I got a SAI of 8,742 and have no idea if that's good or bad. What range would make me eligible for a Pell Grant? And what would be considered a "good" SAI overall where I might get decent financial aid? My guidance counselor wasn't much help and just said "lower is better." Well, duh. 🙄 Looking for some actual numbers here. Thanks!
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Savannah Glover
The SAI (Student Aid Index) replaced the EFC (Expected Family Contribution) but it's not just a name change. The calculation is different in several important ways: 1. The SAI can actually go negative (as low as -1,500) while the EFC couldn't go below zero 2. The SAI no longer includes the number of family members in college 3. The income protection allowance amounts were adjusted 4. Small business and family farm exclusions were removed For Pell Grant eligibility, with the 2024-2025 FAFSA, you'd typically need an SAI below 6,206 to get at least some Pell Grant. Maximum Pell (which is $7,395 for 2024-2025) typically requires an SAI of -1,500 to 0. Your SAI of 8,742 is unfortunately above the Pell threshold, but you might still qualify for other financial aid depending on your school's cost of attendance. Generally, an SAI below 12,000 is still considered relatively good for receiving some form of need-based aid at many institutions.
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Kevin Bell
AuthorThank you! This is EXACTLY the kind of specific information I needed. So I'm not Pell eligible with my 8,742 SAI (bummer) but might still get some aid. When you say the SAI calculation is different - does that mean I might have qualified under the old EFC system? Or is it generally pretty similar for most people?
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Felix Grigori
my cousins sai was like 3500 and she got most of her tuition covered at state school. i think below 3k is good but idk about pell exactly
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Felicity Bud
Just to add a bit more precision here - it's not just about the number itself but also about the cost of attendance at your specific school. A "good" SAI is relative to where you're applying. At an expensive private college, even an SAI of 15,000 might qualify for significant institutional aid, while at a community college, you might need to be below 3,000 to see much benefit beyond Pell.
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Max Reyes
For 2024-2025, Pell Grant eligibility MAX SAI number is 6,206!!!! Anything below that will get you SOME Pell money. But u need SAI under 3,000 to get the really good Pell money. If your SAI is negative (which it CAN be now, unlike old EFC), u get MAX Pell amount $7,395!!!! The colleges also look at your SAI for other aid, not just federal. So your 8,742 might still get u some money depending on school!!!!
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Mikayla Davison
This is mostly correct, but I should clarify that ANY SAI from -1,500 to 0 qualifies for the maximum Pell Grant amount. The negativity feature of the SAI is one of the biggest changes from the old EFC system. And yes, each college has their own formula for how they distribute institutional aid based on your SAI, so check with individual financial aid offices.
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Adrian Connor
Has anyone actually managed to get through to Federal Student Aid to ask them these questions directly? I've been trying for WEEKS to get clarification on my SAI calculation and keep getting stuck on hold or disconnected. This whole new FAFSA system is a nightmare. I swear they changed more than just the name.
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Aisha Jackson
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Ryder Everingham
Anyone else notice their SAI is WAY different from what their EFC would have been in previous years? My family's financial situation hasn't changed at all but my number jumped by like 4000 points under this new system! Something seems off...
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Lilly Curtis
That's actually expected for many families. The biggest factor might be if you have siblings in college. The old EFC divided family contribution among multiple college students, but SAI doesn't do this adjustment automatically. So if you have siblings in college, your SAI will be higher than your old EFC would have been. Schools are supposed to manually adjust for this now, but not all do it the same way.
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Kevin Bell
Ok so looking at all the responses, it sounds like my 8,742 SAI is: - Too high for Pell Grant (need under 6,206) - Might still qualify for some aid depending on the school - Would have potentially been lower under the old EFC system I'm applying to a mix of state schools and one private college, so I guess I'll just have to wait and see what the financial aid packages look like. Thanks everyone for the specific numbers - this helped a lot more than what my counselor told me!
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Savannah Glover
That's a good summary! One more tip: when you get your financial aid offers, don't be afraid to contact the financial aid offices directly if your aid doesn't seem sufficient. Many schools have appeal processes where you can request a professional judgment review, especially if your financial situation has changed since the tax year that was used for the FAFSA (which would be 2022 for the 2024-2025 FAFSA).
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Felicity Bud
I work in a university financial aid office, and I want to clarify something important: each institution still has its own methodology for distributing institutional aid. While the federal SAI determines Pell eligibility, many private colleges use the CSS Profile in addition to FAFSA and have their own formulas. So a SAI of 8,742 might get you significant institutional aid at some schools but little at others. Also, some state grants have different SAI cutoffs than the federal Pell program. Check your state's higher education agency website for their specific eligibility requirements.
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Kevin Bell
AuthorThat's helpful! I'm in Pennsylvania - do you know if they have state grants with different SAI requirements? And should I still fill out the CSS Profile even though I've already submitted my FAFSA?
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Felicity Bud
Pennsylvania has the PA State Grant program, and yes, their eligibility isn't identical to Pell. For 2024-2025, their financial need formula is adjusted from the federal calculation. Check PHEAA's website for specifics, but your 8,742 SAI might still qualify for some state grant aid depending on your school's tuition. As for the CSS Profile, only complete it if your schools require it. It's typically required by private colleges and some competitive public universities. Check each school's financial aid website to see if they require it.
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Olivia Van-Cleve
As someone who just went through this process last year, I want to add that the timing of when you submit your FAFSA can also impact your aid beyond just the SAI number. Many state grants and institutional aid programs are first-come, first-served, so even with your 8,742 SAI, submitting early could help you secure whatever aid you do qualify for. Also, don't overlook work-study opportunities! These aren't tied to your SAI in the same way grants are, and they can be a great way to help cover expenses while gaining work experience. Most schools list work-study as part of their financial aid packages, and with your SAI, you'd likely be eligible. One last thing - look into scholarships that aren't need-based. Merit scholarships, local community scholarships, and department-specific scholarships often have their own criteria that don't consider your FAFSA results at all.
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